Sorry, Chris. This isn't going to be worth the wait, I can tell you.
Barb had started one of those threads that I always like, where she talks a little about herself. She has a really interesting background, and is pretty honest about things, including alot of things that she knows the men will enjoy.
In the course of the thread, one of the guys mentioned that he would love to know what Barb looks like. I told him that there was a picture on the site currently where she was pictured, and challenged anyone to find it - a kind of hide and seek. Barb elaborated a bit on the picture and the context under which it was taken.
This is where things got out of hand. Harry made a post under mine and started off saying something about how he had been taken for a ride by people on the board in the past and how he was more careful now. Then he proceeded to make a remark or two about how you couldn't know for sure if that picture was really of Barb or not.
I didn't read much into his comments (just took them at face value) and told him that it was indeed Barb, as I had seen numerous pictures of her in the past and could identify her. Barb then jumped in and was very angry at Harry for insinuating that she might be faking people with her picture. She went so far as to say that he was accusing her of lying and being fradulent (I'm not quoting anyone here, on purpose, because I can't remember the exact wording).
It was then that I realized I had walked into something that had obviously been going on for awhile. Barb and Harry went back and forth with Barb saying that this was exactly what she had seen from Harry in the past, and that he had trouble with women, and she wasn't going to take his insinuations, etc. She even made reference to his wrestling women. She was very upset.
Harry at first claimed to be misunderstood and taken out of context, but when Barb got more specific he got really upset and started really going at it with her. The last thing I read was that he told her "F%$@# you!" and then Barb told him she would put a bunch of other photos of herself to prove that she was who she was. Then she told him that she might shut down the board after that.
I don't intend to spread rumors here. This is exactly what I remember happening on a public message board. I don't have time to elaborate here, especially about my feelings regarding the whole thing. I know Barb much better than Harry, and I have always been quite fond of her. She has a great site, and she is very cool about men's interest in all of this.
I'll try to post more specific thoughts here later, but for now I can say that this is truthfully what I remember happening, though I could probably do a better job with specifics and my general thoughts on it.
I'm sorry for making you wait. Things have been really busy in my part of the world.
Flippin Harry! That guy could F up a free lunch or get a website owner and wrassler to show herself!?! Too bad he pissed off the owner and friend of ours to a possible retirement board. Hopefully she will come out for the bell next month. She states she would return last month, but then again she has done that before with the reviews and even the other message boards in the past. Why not follow her pattern and do it when shes ready?
I totally missed the remarks. I don't read any of Harry's BS anymore and rarly look at the threads where Barb shoves her weight around even though some deserve it. Its too bad seeing she was starting to actually answer people and reply to certain posts. I just can't believe she allowed anyone to get under her skin and call it quits this way. Maybe she was just getting sick of it all and finally said F it even though she has withstood worse storms on her board in the past. But, if thats the way she wants the story to end (show a few pics) and not say goodbye I guess thats that. Ahhhhhhh well. Life goes on and I wish her well.
Well then, it appears our Harry has joined the illustrious list of three. T-Bone, Hammy and now our Harry have all successfully s h i t canned the other board. Personally I've been kicked off butt loads of boards but I've never been able to shut one down. Damn it! I'm jealous!!
One thing I've never understood is why some people feel compelled to hassle our Webmisstress. In my four or five years several people have tried their hand at roughing up the Webmisstress. Why her? As far as I know she has never done anything to anyone. Hell she didn't even give Hammy the sack after the stunt he pulled. I may be wrong but I doubt the board is gone forever. She has run late on other updates. My guess is her day job keeps her busy, plus she probably has a family to care for.
Cheers Kent, I had no idea that had gone on at all
I thought she'd shut the board down as Harry had gone to visit her and she wouldnt be there to keep an eye on it. D'oh! As this stretched on I knew Id gotten it very wrong.
So that's what happened ? That thread where Harry said the **** about her pics not really being her ? So that was what the 'Harry was here and the end is near' thing was ...
I'm still bummed that the site will be canned but alittle relieved as I was concerned that it might be due to Barb's health. This Harry crap must have really ticked her off as she's delt with what seemed like more bull**** in the past than this.
I remember the thread but I must have stopped following it before it went nuts as I don't remember her acting too pissed off ...
This even makes the closing of her site even worse - One ******* that could / should have been banned will cost the rest of us that great website .
I too am sorry to see Barb's board/site close down. But unfortunately, I've got to wonder about the actual cause of this. Much like the previous time, when it was claimed that supposed legal issues caused the board to be shut down, I believed there was another issue in place. That time, my belief was that Barb was looking to revamp the board and hoped to avoid the backlash hinted at by posters such as Legion, who complained loud and long about having to sign in to post.
This time, I have to wonder about the total site closure. Shutting down the site because someone doubted an image of Barb? Seriously?! That's like Dio shutting his site down because someone said that avatar wasn't actually him. I would be more willing to believe there are health issues here and perhaps personal issues as well. Barb has mentioned that she was uncomfortable with being outed as a fem-fighter in the past.
My guess is that for other, more sensible reasons, Barb was looking to close the site down and was just waiting for the right moment. Seizing on a tiff with a clown like Harry, might have seemed just the ticket.
People who run websites, especially those who function with an alias or alter ego, often seem trapped by their online personas. Perhaps instead of Barb saying that she's ill or tired of running the site and then having to endure the mountain of e-mails begging her to stay on, hang in there, etc., from those who refuse to accept her decision because of their own selfishness, she gets to go out as a firebrand, full of strength and pride, thumbing her nose at a convenient antagonist. A testament to her online image as a fighter and advocate of strong women.
And before you start slamming me, I'm not saying Barb isn't strong, etc., I've never met the woman. It just may be that in the three dimensional world, she's more quiet and reserved, for a variety of reasons. The fight stuff and website allows her to revel in feelings she cannot or will not reveal to co-workers, casual friends and so on.
So we lose another resource for our little corner of the fantasy world. Very sad. I wish her well.
I think you are onto something Chin! A scapegoat ... yes, ofcourse.
Harry could have been the straw that broke the camel-toes back. Then again the mention of Harry was also followed by a "I'll be back in June" statement so maybe Harry isn't the real reason after all. I'm sure she will explain shortly. Basically she doesn't owe anyone anything and if she just threw a few words on her site saying " This isn't fun anymore so the sites coming down" and then axed it that would be fine. But, I guess we'll get the whole shmeel shortly. Hopefully my name isn't brought up!
I was also wondering what happened at her site. I've been on vay cay for the last few weeks, and hadn't even visited her site in awhile, but it is the end of an era.
Anyway, like JSK said, S C R E W Harry. That cat could dry out a wet dream. I stopped talking to him a few years back, when he announced on Barbs Board, that he had my, and others, credit card info because I had bought a download from Les Femme Fatale.
Anyway....good to see some famaliar faces and handles here...Kent, Viking, etc....and of course our lovely and talented Moderator Dionysus. And of course my native New Englander JSK!!! Other then ATF, the fonz...Killah was (and is) always my favorite to read, only cuz I knew, he was smoked up late at night when posting! That doesn't make him a bad person!
Thanks for providing the board, Dion, I shall bookmark it, and hope to add my 2 cents of bull s h i t every once in awhile.
I'm always smoking up Spenca-melia!!!! Wake and bake so I can laugh at people all day long!
Exactly..... nothing wrong with that! Life is good and it hurts noone but me ... and I don't believe "the pot" does any more damage than drinking afew brews, cigarettes or even milk. BTW love the new TOOL song "the pot". Got tics for those boys in Sept.
I have ATF (the fonz) email address and sent him a hello about a week ago. I haven't heard back. I'm not sure if that's good news or bad news. The good news being that it didn't come back as undeliverable..so hopefully it's still an active account. The last time we communicated, must of been about a year ago...he had just lost his best friend, and was bummed about the pending funeral, but he seemed in good spirits other then that. Hope he's OK.
Yeah, losing U'r best bud is like losing family. That totally blows and I hope Fonz and family are doing well. I haven't heard from him in atleast a year or close to it. You don't think he got too cool for us? After all he IS the Fonz! Hopefully he was the guy I blasted on Barb's bored ... atleast we would know he is ok.
Looks to me all of us "usual suspects" have been absent from Dio land for quite some time. Hopefully we can regroup and again conquer!
Why didn't Barb ban the dude...indeed. Well...for one thing Barb can be a ****ing nut job. Like most women who've been beaten and love to gravitate in and out of abusive relationships with men, Barb loves to play the victim. Harry's always been a jackass but the problem with Barb's board goes way past Harry. That board needs to be run by a younger more mentally stable woman who knows when to tell guys to **** off and not let them tear up the board bandwidth with all the back and forth...
I'll tell you one thing...I'd look over the board from time to time only to find it had devolved into a big pile of banal insipid boring bullshiiiit that basically revolved around 'who would win if' and 'let's pat Barb on the back' posts. So my feeling is the time had already come and passed for that board to be relevant for most FvsF fans Who gives a **** if she closes it? If we have enough interest it can be started up somewhere else where it will be moderated a hell of a lot better with a lot less indulgence to ****Smoking Dickheads like Freestyle Fan, Harry and the non-stop cyberspace Cliff Clavens like Panthera. Barb did a great job but, for now, she just needs to tend to her physical health and stay out of the FvsF message board arena...it's a job for a much younger and much hipper woman than Barb.
Good to see ya over here. I'll agree Barb should worry more about her health than Harry wondering if shes realer than the tooth fairy etc. I wouldn't say Barb's too old ... I think she has too many soft spots for idiots who have been posting there for years. I've seen her go off on people before and believe me she still has alot of bitching left in her. But, indeed she got too soft for me. I missed getting yelled at by her. Mostly she would just wipe a post (what fun is that)
I think it blows that her board is gone. I know lots of people went there daily ... for me a couple days a week mainly to read. It seemed alot of the old timers left and it was getting quite sad with the posting people were putting up.
For me and alot of others I'll miss the producers board. Now we have to find out for ourselves who has updated .... what new companies are coming out of the woodwork. I posted alot on the producers board in the past and can seriously say judging from my inside stats its going to affect every producer who use to post there. She always was responsible for the most traffic I recieved. I can say the same for others I've talked to aswell.
Of course "I" can't log onto it but that's ok...with the exception of a few favs, most of the product I've seen advertised in the Producer's section sucks ass anyway. I think it's a really good idea for someone to copy her links page and then just move on from there. Who wants to keep worrying about a board run by someone who does silly **** like close down because someone questions her pic. She can blame Harry all she wants but just like a dumb bitch going back to be slapped up and ****ed by an abusive husband or boyfriend, Barb engaged Harry and fools like Freestool as the professional victim she's always been. The site closing is all on her and quite frankly...Good Riddance. It's time for the FvsF community to find more reliable sites run by people who know how to deal with the Harry's and FreeStools of this world in a fashion that befits an intelligent mature adult and not some helpless damsel in distress...
I think everyone can agree its not because of Harry. Its more so like she was ready to pull the plug and it all happened around that time. Her board went through many changes throughout the years as we know. I never went there when it was strictly a fem/fem board. But, when I did start going there it was already mangled with idiots who shot their mouths off simply because they were a thousand miles away from the ones they flamed hidden behind the safety of their computer. I think she only banned 2 people since I went there. Faggaronni and the Nazi guy. It was soon afterwards people like Leege and Dio made light of her bannings and actually asked to be banned. Kind of blew up in her face even though she had the power to do so. I remember the gigantic threads and pages of that whole mess. It was there where I saw her losing her grip in a way. Then she started speaking more about family life , health etc. And I don't even think the log in thing worked as well as she thought it would. People still tossed **** in each others faces and spoke about anything they wanted. No bans just wipes. Thats not good enough when your trying to show control.
Still I respect Barb. After all she did this for the community and there was alot more good than bad. Sure a bunch of dead links on her links page, but its a huge task keeping up with it and I do believe she said its not her fault if they suddenly don't work. I see tons of idiots bitched about this aswell. Its one thing if she made us pay to be members but it was of our own free will. I left it as that and found there were more sites with better and more updated info which I stuck to. As for the producer section I've already explained it was a huge help for lots of sites and surfers. It did piss me off lately seeing the Amazons site posting all the time regarding the same material. Basically just to get their name on the top of the page. Nothing was done, but when other companies did this in the past they were "warned". Again another sign of her not giving a rats ass about her site.
Bottom line it just got too big for her around the time she was sick of doing it. Why do something your not into anymore? Lets face it the board was getting abit bored anyways. I mean the only fun as of late is Panther and Grant giving each other wedgies.
Even still I'd really like to see anyone else run it and not have problems and the usual bitching of people. All and all I think she did a fantastic job but long overdue for an ending.
Atta girl there, Sketchl-ass, feel better now ??? If there are any more sour grapes you'd like to regurgitate here, by all means go ahead. That's it, get it off your chest. Let it all hang out.
Barb firewalled your Big Butt because you just couldn't separate the criticism from the you're-not-too-swift sarc-ass-ism, and that's all and that's it, period. It wasn't because of what you said, nor even how you said it, it was simply because you couldn't conform to Barb's expectations for decency that the board was meant for without burning up somebody (and I DON'T mean flaming--which, to your credit, you didn't do). You COULD have very well and easily explained your points--many times valid--while using your flair for expression WITHOUT your shiiiiit-on-your-face style, esp. since you had a penchant for doing so to the women (like Hurricane Havanna and others). So, in essence, your comments were working to defeat the atmosphere--not the purpose--of Barb's board, which was meant to get the WOMEN to post (and THAT hopefully would lead to informative, co-ed dialogue without any personal rancor). Your comments were starting to blend more and more antagonistic criticism (not all the time, but enought of them) with oftentimes meaningful points, but that suck-ass combo ended up repelling what the boards were meant for: Allowing the women who engage in F-vs-F activities to feel comfortable about posting. True, there were some women that could take anything you could dish out and they did post, but they were in the minority, which is why there were fewer and fewer women who posted as time went by. So Barb finally kicked your annoying ass outta there for good. How you could not have seen that coming only means you shot off your buckshot mouth over and over without understanding what effect your ammo might have on the targets. What in the hell did you expect when the mod of the board is female and herself a highly admirable proponent/participant of F-vs-F activities ? I can't believe you were that dipshiiiiiit stupid, but apparently you were. THAT'S WHY YOUR SORRY ASS WAS BANNED, UNDERSTAND THAT ???
Barb never tried to add a level of moderation that wasn't necessary and she didn't ignore serious crap that should've been handled a hell of a lot differently--hell, she should be applauded for her leniency and tolerance. So stop bullshiiiiiiiting about Barb being passed her prime moderating a message board or saying everybody had to butterfly her backside with hugs and kisses.
You say Barb's a phucking nut-job ??? She loves to play the professional victim and go back for more abuse like a dumb biiiiitch ??? Her board needed to be run by a younger, hipper, and more mentally stable woman who could have done more to pounce on the morons and stop the back-and-forth in its tracks ???
SketchAss, I'll give you a possible 1 outta 5 on all that. Every point you just said makes you the Phuckin' Nut-Job With No Equal. The only possible exception is that maybe Barb could have stopped the back-and-forth better, but, then again, that's why she deserves high marks for her latitude. Banning you at least was a step in the right direction, and don't give me your horseshiiiiiiiit that I was always trying' to get on her good side. (I never posted with motives like that. If you thought otherwise, you're phucked.) You tryin' to connect her personal life (abusive relationships) into a reason why she ended up operating the board like she did, and then, from that, fault her for no longer being mentally stable enough ??? What bullshiiiiiiiiit. No, I'm afraid you're about as accurate as hittin' a bull's-eye on a fly's ass. Barb had no leftover "garbage" from her past relationship that interfered with her operation of the board in the present. Her current relationship was and is very satisfactory--she said so herself--and that means that what was in her past, stayed in her past. True, Harry went to hell because he lost his cool, but don't give me your sob-shiiiiiiiit like he's the one who broke the camel's back that caused Barb to quit, although he is to blame big-time for what he said. Barb apparently had other, personal reasons that were front and center, that's all. You and everybody else knows this by now. Her site is better off alive than dead any day of the week, and everybody knows that, too.
So smoke away. The only butterflies smokin' the place up are your's.
Does your Dad get jealous when you go down on your Mother's Pimp with that mouth? Y/N? Old Panthera, posting on the Men's site trying to pretend to fit in like one of the guys again? I'm sure women are welcome on this board buy you should try to stick to FvsF topics and not go all windbaggy. Aim...focus, then take short concise bursts instead of just holding down the trigger until you run out of ammo (not that you've ever had any to start with). Now crawl back over to Barb and see if she'll answer any of your longwinded emails...and tell that nutjob bitch Sketch said to go **** herself if she can't take a joke...oh...no actually that comment is meant for YOU Panthera. Too-dah-Lew...!
The introduction of "security" measures limiting free speech to the exchange of happy-faced emoticons, such as all the krap Barb tried to pull after 9-11, will eventually destroy any message board - ie: reduce it to the level of insipid banality populated by mental midgets and arse kissers, as Sketch noted.
That board has been brain-dead for years, just waiting for someone to pull the plug. Death to American propoganda. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.
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Thanks for that dose of morning laughitis, TJ the DVD Ripper !!! ... (really--amusing at it was--you scored a respectable grade on the gut-buster. Certainly not a new record, but not bad, either). That animated avatar is good. Who are those burpers ?
Look, were you barfed outta Barb's board, too ??? (C'mon Leege, is that you ?, if not, he must have a twin.) A l-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng time after 9-11, Barb's boards still remained damn strong as ever. Those "security" measures you mention didn't really take effect till yet more time had passed, and they were hardly third-degree. You're confusing quality with quantity. Before all that, the latter surpissed the former; after all that, the former surpassed the latter (Lard-Ass Grant's posts excepted; he just plain pissed).
Your comments about 'Murkin propaganda I can follow--hell, with all the crap still goin' on in Iraq in that situation I fully agree. Us 'Murkins bit off more than we can chew, if ya' ask me. Shoulda been outta there a long time ago. Makes us look badder every day. Don't worry, we phuck ourselves up; we'll un-phuck ourselves--that's why we have elections. (You do have the ability to vote in your country like I do, don't you ???).
A "message board" is NOT A PLACE. A message board is a collection of people who share a common interest. Those people do not cease to exist just because Barb Shaivo closed her insignificant little collection of bad web code and imbecilic opinion.
Boards come, boards go. No big loss.
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